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		<title>By: People Over Process &#187; Conferences Need Lots of Lounge Space</title>
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		<dc:creator>People Over Process &#187; Conferences Need Lots of Lounge Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I want to also take a second to thank the folks from Blogtropolus for putting on such a great blogger lounge, which rocked in comparison to the conference media center. They were great hosts and offered a robust wireless network as well as a lively lounge for the couple of days I was at the event. I actually met more people I wanted to see in that lounge than anywhere else at the conference. &#8211;Jeff Nolan on Web 2.0 Expo 2008 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I want to also take a second to thank the folks from Blogtropolus for putting on such a great blogger lounge, which rocked in comparison to the conference media center. They were great hosts and offered a robust wireless network as well as a lively lounge for the couple of days I was at the event. I actually met more people I wanted to see in that lounge than anywhere else at the conference. &#8211;Jeff Nolan on Web 2.0 Expo 2008 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; links for 2008-04-28</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Governor&#8217;s Monkchips &#187; links for 2008-04-28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Web 2.0 Reflections &#124; Venture Chronicles very damning. I have some ideas about how to do a more effective expo floor - plan to suggest to IBM for SOA impact next year. (tags: web2.0) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Web 2.0 Reflections | Venture Chronicles very damning. I have some ideas about how to do a more effective expo floor &#8211; plan to suggest to IBM for SOA impact next year. (tags: web2.0) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Stubblebine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Stubblebine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks. This is all good feedback. Some of the nicest feedback we got at this conference was from the people who&#039;ve used us before and noticed improvements that were based on their feedback. Hopefully, we&#039;ll have a second chance to impress you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. This is all good feedback. Some of the nicest feedback we got at this conference was from the people who&#8217;ve used us before and noticed improvements that were based on their feedback. Hopefully, we&#8217;ll have a second chance to impress you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony, 
We should probably agree that twitter makes it easy to take things out of context given the 140 limit. Nuff said, I appreciate your response here. 

It was Lawrence that said it best about strengthening weak ties, but I disagree with your presumption that connecting face to face is the paramount objective at a conference.

First and foremost, there are plenty of people that I want to hover around but not necessarily interact with. Scoble is a good example, I like to watch his comments but I don&#039;t want to hang out with him... there are plenty of lesser known people that fall within the same category. 

It is physically impossible to meet f2f with as many people as I can follow at an event. If I can meet up with 15 people in a day I&#039;m pretty damn happy, but I can follow literally hundreds using the tools that we are fortunate to have at our disposal. 

That&#039;s why things like hastags, @eventtrack, qik, and friendfeed. This the kind of experience you should be expanding. 

I&#039;d also like to see some features that better engage the companies and people presenting. Right now it&#039;s pretty rare for either to actually engage the audience and that&#039;s a real weakness in the conference model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony,<br />
We should probably agree that twitter makes it easy to take things out of context given the 140 limit. Nuff said, I appreciate your response here. </p>
<p>It was Lawrence that said it best about strengthening weak ties, but I disagree with your presumption that connecting face to face is the paramount objective at a conference.</p>
<p>First and foremost, there are plenty of people that I want to hover around but not necessarily interact with. Scoble is a good example, I like to watch his comments but I don&#8217;t want to hang out with him&#8230; there are plenty of lesser known people that fall within the same category. </p>
<p>It is physically impossible to meet f2f with as many people as I can follow at an event. If I can meet up with 15 people in a day I&#8217;m pretty damn happy, but I can follow literally hundreds using the tools that we are fortunate to have at our disposal. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why things like hastags, @eventtrack, qik, and friendfeed. This the kind of experience you should be expanding. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to see some features that better engage the companies and people presenting. Right now it&#8217;s pretty rare for either to actually engage the audience and that&#8217;s a real weakness in the conference model.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Stubblebine</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/04/25/web-20-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-263924</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Stubblebine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

There were a couple of things that I was responding to on twitter. 

You&#039;d started by calling us a weak forum. We&#039;re not a forum, we&#039;re a social network focused on helping attendees meet. You aren&#039;t wrong for wanting a forum, that&#039;s your right as an attendee, but that&#039;s a request that&#039;s better targeted at the conference organizer. 

Dion had said that participation was low. There were 1900+ attendees, 10000+ connections, hundreds of blog posts and comments. I think because he was also looking for a backnetwork he was looking for heavy activity during the conference. But we&#039;re focused on boosting the face-to-face value of the conference (otherwise, why did you fly out), so we end up with a usage curve that&#039;s heaviest right before the conference starts.

In one sense you are attendees and it&#039;s your right to form whatever expectations you want and then to be disappointed when those expectations are not met. I respect that and registered your desire for better backnetwork features.

However, you and Dion are both technology commentators and I think I&#039;m well within my right to challenge your analysis. In this case, I want to get across the idea that personal connections are more important to the health of a conference than additional information streams. 

Information streams are hard to differentiate and extremely price sensitive. I&#039;ve worked for a technical publisher during a downturn and people happily turn from books to free online sources. Conferences are looking at the same dynamic because in this downturn free online information sources are granular enough to compete with sessions. The face-to-face isn&#039;t as easily replaced.

If I was going to play devil&#039;s advocate I&#039;d say that more information sources amplify the presence of the conference, generate free marketing, and thus higher registration/sponsor revenue. But so does making your attendees day. In the end there&#039;s room for both and we&#039;re increasing extending CrowdVine into the day-to-day of the conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>There were a couple of things that I was responding to on twitter. </p>
<p>You&#8217;d started by calling us a weak forum. We&#8217;re not a forum, we&#8217;re a social network focused on helping attendees meet. You aren&#8217;t wrong for wanting a forum, that&#8217;s your right as an attendee, but that&#8217;s a request that&#8217;s better targeted at the conference organizer. </p>
<p>Dion had said that participation was low. There were 1900+ attendees, 10000+ connections, hundreds of blog posts and comments. I think because he was also looking for a backnetwork he was looking for heavy activity during the conference. But we&#8217;re focused on boosting the face-to-face value of the conference (otherwise, why did you fly out), so we end up with a usage curve that&#8217;s heaviest right before the conference starts.</p>
<p>In one sense you are attendees and it&#8217;s your right to form whatever expectations you want and then to be disappointed when those expectations are not met. I respect that and registered your desire for better backnetwork features.</p>
<p>However, you and Dion are both technology commentators and I think I&#8217;m well within my right to challenge your analysis. In this case, I want to get across the idea that personal connections are more important to the health of a conference than additional information streams. </p>
<p>Information streams are hard to differentiate and extremely price sensitive. I&#8217;ve worked for a technical publisher during a downturn and people happily turn from books to free online sources. Conferences are looking at the same dynamic because in this downturn free online information sources are granular enough to compete with sessions. The face-to-face isn&#8217;t as easily replaced.</p>
<p>If I was going to play devil&#8217;s advocate I&#8217;d say that more information sources amplify the presence of the conference, generate free marketing, and thus higher registration/sponsor revenue. But so does making your attendees day. In the end there&#8217;s room for both and we&#8217;re increasing extending CrowdVine into the day-to-day of the conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Cmehil</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/04/25/web-20-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-263830</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Cmehil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jeff,

Even with the problems @eventtrack was able to keep up quite well thanks to the linking in to multiple other services - we certainly lost some of the conversation but I was quite impressed with what was captured.

http://eventtrack.info/?t_event=web20expo

# Shouts: 881
# Pics: 1052
# Links: 126
# Videos: 24
# Prezzo: 29

Quite interesting to take a look through it all. As for Twitter we are back in business and watching things closely, Twitter folks seem to be quite willing to help work through the issues with us although timing was bad considering the issues they were having.

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeff,</p>
<p>Even with the problems @eventtrack was able to keep up quite well thanks to the linking in to multiple other services &#8211; we certainly lost some of the conversation but I was quite impressed with what was captured.</p>
<p><a href="http://eventtrack.info/?t_event=web20expo" rel="nofollow">http://eventtrack.info/?t_event=web20expo</a></p>
<h1>Shouts: 881</h1>
<h1>Pics: 1052</h1>
<h1>Links: 126</h1>
<h1>Videos: 24</h1>
<h1>Prezzo: 29</h1>
<p>Quite interesting to take a look through it all. As for Twitter we are back in business and watching things closely, Twitter folks seem to be quite willing to help work through the issues with us although timing was bad considering the issues they were having.</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/04/25/web-20-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-263826</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dave. Posts like this are hard for me to write for 2 reasons, the first being that I know many of the people, like yourself, who are involved with this and I don&#039;t like to be perceived as taking shots at friends. Secondly, our world is a continuum and where we were even just a few years with conferences is far different than today. The tools and services are being applied, never as quickly as some of us would like but progress nonetheless. I really hate looking like I&#039;m dumping on something new just because it&#039;s not perfect.

Thanks again, would look forward to catching up over a beer. Will send you dm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dave. Posts like this are hard for me to write for 2 reasons, the first being that I know many of the people, like yourself, who are involved with this and I don&#8217;t like to be perceived as taking shots at friends. Secondly, our world is a continuum and where we were even just a few years with conferences is far different than today. The tools and services are being applied, never as quickly as some of us would like but progress nonetheless. I really hate looking like I&#8217;m dumping on something new just because it&#8217;s not perfect.</p>
<p>Thanks again, would look forward to catching up over a beer. Will send you dm.</p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2008/04/25/web-20-reflections/comment-page-1/#comment-263796</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey jeff -

(disclosure: i&#039;m one of the conference co-chairs for Web 2.0 Expo)

thanks for the honest feedback.  we are listening.

definitely some stuff we know we need to do better... we&#039;re still working on the &#039;Conference 2.0&#039; toolset to let the audience talk back.  i think we *are* on the path to eating our own dogfood with new services like crowdvine, roamabout, twitter, meebo, etc.  we may not have them all nailed just yet but they do seem to be getting used by attendees (and sometimes like you, they&#039;re used to tell us we still suck at a few things, but that&#039;s still good feedback too).

hopefully we got a few things right, and some of the tools work, and some of the sessions like Ro Choy / RockYou work out well &amp; are interesting &amp; educational.  (overall, feedback on the track sessions has been mostly positive, if only luke-warm on some of the main stage talks... i&#039;m listening to dan lyons / FSJ kill in the friday keynote right now, so maybe he&#039;ll bring our B- up to a B+ ;)

in any case, we&#039;ll keep listening to the feedback, and i know Tim is thinking a lot about how we can use the same web 2.0 tools &amp; services we get all excited about to make our own conferences work for you guys &amp; suck less.  in my honest opinion, anything worth doing is probably worth screwing up a few times until we get it right.

thanks for coming out &amp; would love to buy you a beer &amp; catchup in meat space sometime soon.

- dave &quot;500 hats&quot; mcclure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey jeff -</p>
<p>(disclosure: i&#8217;m one of the conference co-chairs for Web 2.0 Expo)</p>
<p>thanks for the honest feedback.  we are listening.</p>
<p>definitely some stuff we know we need to do better&#8230; we&#8217;re still working on the &#8216;Conference 2.0&#8242; toolset to let the audience talk back.  i think we <em>are</em> on the path to eating our own dogfood with new services like crowdvine, roamabout, twitter, meebo, etc.  we may not have them all nailed just yet but they do seem to be getting used by attendees (and sometimes like you, they&#8217;re used to tell us we still suck at a few things, but that&#8217;s still good feedback too).</p>
<p>hopefully we got a few things right, and some of the tools work, and some of the sessions like Ro Choy / RockYou work out well &amp; are interesting &amp; educational.  (overall, feedback on the track sessions has been mostly positive, if only luke-warm on some of the main stage talks&#8230; i&#8217;m listening to dan lyons / FSJ kill in the friday keynote right now, so maybe he&#8217;ll bring our B- up to a B+ <img src='http://jeffnolan.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>in any case, we&#8217;ll keep listening to the feedback, and i know Tim is thinking a lot about how we can use the same web 2.0 tools &amp; services we get all excited about to make our own conferences work for you guys &amp; suck less.  in my honest opinion, anything worth doing is probably worth screwing up a few times until we get it right.</p>
<p>thanks for coming out &amp; would love to buy you a beer &amp; catchup in meat space sometime soon.</p>
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