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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/04/30/are-digg-commenters-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-107661</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really strange, WP strips out the underscores in links... here&#039;s a tinyurl version

http://tinyurl.com/yr3n5h</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really strange, WP strips out the underscores in links&#8230; here&#8217;s a tinyurl version</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yr3n5h" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yr3n5h</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/04/30/are-digg-commenters-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-107660</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, don&#039;t know why but here it is:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, don&#8217;t know why but here it is:<br />
<a href="http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is" rel="nofollow">&#8220;http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/04/30/are-digg-commenters-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-107657</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Link didn&#039;t come thru properly... Oh well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link didn&#8217;t come thru properly&#8230; Oh well!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/04/30/are-digg-commenters-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-107656</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 19:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found this... In the spirit of &quot;digg&quot;... http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this&#8230; In the spirit of &#8220;digg&#8221;&#8230; <a href="http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/hardware/riggd_you_know_it_is</a></p>
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		<title>By: KP</title>
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		<dc:creator>KP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I submitted Dare Obasanjo&#039;s post to Digg this morning and it&#039;s not available on Digg anymore, but people are still digging it from the original post. Does Digg remove critical submissions? I love Digg, but the tone of the comments is kind of malicious - I tend to just look at the stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I submitted Dare Obasanjo&#8217;s post to Digg this morning and it&#8217;s not available on Digg anymore, but people are still digging it from the original post. Does Digg remove critical submissions? I love Digg, but the tone of the comments is kind of malicious &#8211; I tend to just look at the stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good comments, and yeah I do think it&#039;s an apples to oranges comparison given the maturity of /. versus digg.

Having said that, there simply has to be a better model to incentivize productive participation in comment threads and encourage moderation behaviors in a way that avoids the &quot;tragedy of the commons&quot; scenario you describe (love the term, btw).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good comments, and yeah I do think it&#8217;s an apples to oranges comparison given the maturity of /. versus digg.</p>
<p>Having said that, there simply has to be a better model to incentivize productive participation in comment threads and encourage moderation behaviors in a way that avoids the &#8220;tragedy of the commons&#8221; scenario you describe (love the term, btw).</p>
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		<title>By: W.B. McNamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.B. McNamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind that Slashdot has been around for somewhat longer, and that the tools for moderation and the mindset behind them have reaped the benefits of evolution.

Digg&#039;s &quot;display more low rated comments by default&quot; mindset ties in well with the fact that any user can moderate at any time.  The underlying assumption is that moderation will happen quickly and often.  It takes five negative moderations to hide something because the system assumes that both the good and the bad will draw users&#039; attention pretty much immediately.   

The gotcha in this theory may be the very fact that people can moderate at any time...a sort of bizarre take on the tragedy of the commons:  people don&#039;t moderate much because &quot;eh, somebody else will do it.&quot;

As a normal Slashdot user you don&#039;t have the opportunity to moderate every day, and are given very limited power to moderate when the opportunity is granted (last time I recall moderating I had five mod points to work with).  

I have only myself to present as data, but I certainly do tend to moderate on Slashdot in as thoughtful a manner as possible when the opportunity comes up, simply because it doesn&#039;t come up all that often.  It&#039;s a minor and occasional imposition on my time, so it seems worth doing well.  In addition, Slashdot has a meta-moderation system in place, where users check the moderation that was done by others and not whether they agree or disagree with the mod; while this certainly doesn&#039;t elimiate abusive moderation, it&#039;s a useful check to have in place.

I expect that over time Digg&#039;s moderation tools will evolve...not in exactly the same direction as Slashdot, of course, but very likely in the direction of creating a more user-managed approach to community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that Slashdot has been around for somewhat longer, and that the tools for moderation and the mindset behind them have reaped the benefits of evolution.</p>
<p>Digg&#8217;s &#8220;display more low rated comments by default&#8221; mindset ties in well with the fact that any user can moderate at any time.  The underlying assumption is that moderation will happen quickly and often.  It takes five negative moderations to hide something because the system assumes that both the good and the bad will draw users&#8217; attention pretty much immediately.   </p>
<p>The gotcha in this theory may be the very fact that people can moderate at any time&#8230;a sort of bizarre take on the tragedy of the commons:  people don&#8217;t moderate much because &#8220;eh, somebody else will do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a normal Slashdot user you don&#8217;t have the opportunity to moderate every day, and are given very limited power to moderate when the opportunity is granted (last time I recall moderating I had five mod points to work with).  </p>
<p>I have only myself to present as data, but I certainly do tend to moderate on Slashdot in as thoughtful a manner as possible when the opportunity comes up, simply because it doesn&#8217;t come up all that often.  It&#8217;s a minor and occasional imposition on my time, so it seems worth doing well.  In addition, Slashdot has a meta-moderation system in place, where users check the moderation that was done by others and not whether they agree or disagree with the mod; while this certainly doesn&#8217;t elimiate abusive moderation, it&#8217;s a useful check to have in place.</p>
<p>I expect that over time Digg&#8217;s moderation tools will evolve&#8230;not in exactly the same direction as Slashdot, of course, but very likely in the direction of creating a more user-managed approach to community.</p>
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