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	<title>Comments on: Kathy Sierra &#8211; A Tipping Point?</title>
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		<title>By: Move on People, Nothing to See Hear : Venture Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-101000</link>
		<dc:creator>Move on People, Nothing to See Hear : Venture Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mike Arrington might have the most rational comment about the aftermath of the Kathy Sierra Incident. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel better?</p>
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		<title>By: berd neldins</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96590</link>
		<dc:creator>berd neldins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All well and fine. Good discussion in fact. But, &quot;tipping point&quot;.. Let&#039;s get real, shall we?

As in, seems neither of you have dug into this enough to separate out what&#039;s actually transpired here and, until you do, this discussion is purely academic. (as are most of the others I&#039;ve seen today)

The posts on the 2 sites in question did indeed veer into the tasteless and, yes, just plain inappropriate. 

The actual death threats Sierra received however, were from posters to her own site. While she does make this distinction on her own blog, she nonetheless also rather deftly, tries to weave them into the same sweater and, for that, I&#039;ve lost much respect for her. 

To say the least, making these separate things 
&quot;coonected by dots&quot; so to speak, is subverting any reasonable effort to accomplish anything productive and not just here but across the blogoshpere at large.

Can we please get our stories straight before continuing this firestorm?  

Have either of you read the posts and seen the pictures from the(now non-existent) two sites in question? Have you seen the &quot;deleted&quot; threat comments from Sierra&#039;s site? (other than the chunklets she chose to disclose herself)?

Yes, clearly there was some wrongdoing against Ms. Sierra. I&#039;ve now wasted the better part of two days readin&#039; all about it damn near everywhere it seems. 

But, like Momma always tried to instill in us, Two (or, in this case more!) wrongs ain&#039;t&#039;a never gonna make a right.

Any sort of rational discourse cannot and will not occur until some cogent sorting of the facts is presented at large. We&#039;ve seen damned little of that today.

I personally find it a damn shame that so many electrons have been wasted on this in this fashion. We&#039;ve all done our self-righteous 
venting and can now blitherly go our respective &quot;merry ways&quot;. 

We&#039;ve &quot;sounded off&quot; while tipping the brims of our white Stetsons and are are now running off in quest of the next &quot;big thing&quot; that will also require our cursory/momentary/self-righteous and indignat attentions.

And 48 hours from now, nothing will have changed because of it. Our attention will by then, be elsewhere.

ooh, wow! Big surprise.

Too many blogs...not enough common sense between &#039;em to actually accomplish a damn thing.Oh, but have now all done our part, haven&#039;t we?

yeah right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All well and fine. Good discussion in fact. But, &#8220;tipping point&#8221;.. Let&#8217;s get real, shall we?</p>
<p>As in, seems neither of you have dug into this enough to separate out what&#8217;s actually transpired here and, until you do, this discussion is purely academic. (as are most of the others I&#8217;ve seen today)</p>
<p>The posts on the 2 sites in question did indeed veer into the tasteless and, yes, just plain inappropriate. </p>
<p>The actual death threats Sierra received however, were from posters to her own site. While she does make this distinction on her own blog, she nonetheless also rather deftly, tries to weave them into the same sweater and, for that, I&#8217;ve lost much respect for her. </p>
<p>To say the least, making these separate things<br />
&#8220;coonected by dots&#8221; so to speak, is subverting any reasonable effort to accomplish anything productive and not just here but across the blogoshpere at large.</p>
<p>Can we please get our stories straight before continuing this firestorm?  </p>
<p>Have either of you read the posts and seen the pictures from the(now non-existent) two sites in question? Have you seen the &#8220;deleted&#8221; threat comments from Sierra&#8217;s site? (other than the chunklets she chose to disclose herself)?</p>
<p>Yes, clearly there was some wrongdoing against Ms. Sierra. I&#8217;ve now wasted the better part of two days readin&#8217; all about it damn near everywhere it seems. </p>
<p>But, like Momma always tried to instill in us, Two (or, in this case more!) wrongs ain&#8217;t'a never gonna make a right.</p>
<p>Any sort of rational discourse cannot and will not occur until some cogent sorting of the facts is presented at large. We&#8217;ve seen damned little of that today.</p>
<p>I personally find it a damn shame that so many electrons have been wasted on this in this fashion. We&#8217;ve all done our self-righteous<br />
venting and can now blitherly go our respective &#8220;merry ways&#8221;. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve &#8220;sounded off&#8221; while tipping the brims of our white Stetsons and are are now running off in quest of the next &#8220;big thing&#8221; that will also require our cursory/momentary/self-righteous and indignat attentions.</p>
<p>And 48 hours from now, nothing will have changed because of it. Our attention will by then, be elsewhere.</p>
<p>ooh, wow! Big surprise.</p>
<p>Too many blogs&#8230;not enough common sense between &#8216;em to actually accomplish a damn thing.Oh, but have now all done our part, haven&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>yeah right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Wood</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96501</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, hadn&#039;t seen your post until after I commented, but we&#039;re of the same mind here. My consideration to not post on the matter [which I ultimately decided against] wasn&#039;t based on the fact I didn&#039;t know Kathy; but more on the fear that we&#039;re giving into what these imbeciles wanted in the first place: attention.

The one thing we can&#039;t have is further degradation in the conversational aspects of blogging. Without conversation, what&#039;s the point? 

I think services that secure and vet our identities have tremendous value; and plan on blogging about them in support of this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, hadn&#8217;t seen your post until after I commented, but we&#8217;re of the same mind here. My consideration to not post on the matter [which I ultimately decided against] wasn&#8217;t based on the fact I didn&#8217;t know Kathy; but more on the fear that we&#8217;re giving into what these imbeciles wanted in the first place: attention.</p>
<p>The one thing we can&#8217;t have is further degradation in the conversational aspects of blogging. Without conversation, what&#8217;s the point? </p>
<p>I think services that secure and vet our identities have tremendous value; and plan on blogging about them in support of this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96487</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, Jeff - you were a bit quick for me! Let me say again - this was an appropriate sentiment to express, and I am happy (in the absence of a more solid identity metasystem - yet) to open the kimono rather than hide behind anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, Jeff &#8211; you were a bit quick for me! Let me say again &#8211; this was an appropriate sentiment to express, and I am happy (in the absence of a more solid identity metasystem &#8211; yet) to open the kimono rather than hide behind anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric,
I really do hear what you and Niall are saying, and btw I agree with you. I don&#039;t have all the answers, or even all the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric,<br />
I really do hear what you and Niall are saying, and btw I agree with you. I don&#8217;t have all the answers, or even all the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96485</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First - appropriate post.

Second - I&#039;m with Niall in thinking that this is the kind of situation where the need for (for example) Kim Cameron&#039;s work on identity is amply demonstrated. Like you, I leave a fairly clear trail as I move about the web. But there are two issues with doing that: one is what Niall refers to - it looks obvious who I am, but what confidence can you place in that? Second issue is (assuming this IS me, of course :-)) how much do I expose myself to the sort of attack Kathy Sierra has been subjected to? I think a large part of the promise of identity management as espoused by Kim Cameron and plenty of others is to provide YOU with confidence about who I am, and ME with a way to give you that confidence without having to expose more personal information than is absolutely necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; appropriate post.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; I&#8217;m with Niall in thinking that this is the kind of situation where the need for (for example) Kim Cameron&#8217;s work on identity is amply demonstrated. Like you, I leave a fairly clear trail as I move about the web. But there are two issues with doing that: one is what Niall refers to &#8211; it looks obvious who I am, but what confidence can you place in that? Second issue is (assuming this IS me, of course <img src='http://jeffnolan.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) how much do I expose myself to the sort of attack Kathy Sierra has been subjected to? I think a large part of the promise of identity management as espoused by Kim Cameron and plenty of others is to provide YOU with confidence about who I am, and ME with a way to give you that confidence without having to expose more personal information than is absolutely necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96484</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niall,
Very true (identity and authentication are the two specific technical issues).

I&#039;m not talking about a certified and bulletproof system, I am suggesting a cultural shift to precede anything technical. The first step in diminishing the prevalence of anonymity is for people to make a conscious choice to not be anonymous. I&#039;ll settle on the honor system to achieve that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niall,<br />
Very true (identity and authentication are the two specific technical issues).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about a certified and bulletproof system, I am suggesting a cultural shift to precede anything technical. The first step in diminishing the prevalence of anonymity is for people to make a conscious choice to not be anonymous. I&#8217;ll settle on the honor system to achieve that.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall Cook</title>
		<link>http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/03/27/kathy-sierra-a-tipping-point/comment-page-1/#comment-96481</link>
		<dc:creator>Niall Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

I think the issues of anonymity and identity are two different ones. I agree that anonymity (or pseudonymity) is a problem, but how do I verify that the Jeff Nolan who comments on my blog, enters your email address and links to your blog, is actually you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I think the issues of anonymity and identity are two different ones. I agree that anonymity (or pseudonymity) is a problem, but how do I verify that the Jeff Nolan who comments on my blog, enters your email address and links to your blog, is actually you?</p>
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