Comments on: The iPhone fallout http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/ Jeff Nolan's take on innovation, entrepreneurship, tech and stuff that interests me Thu, 17 May 2012 21:05:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anshu Sharma http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65553 Anshu Sharma Thu, 11 Jan 2007 06:57:26 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65553 The key question is if this means that the mobile operators are finally willing to accept their limited success (abject failure) in monetizing any services beyond voice and basic data. The crazy idea that mobile carriers should get a piece of every service I use over their network is just silly- its like a bank saying that they get a piece of every check I write, or local phone company gets to make money if I buy an air ticket over the phone. Various versions of this were tried during the dot com boom/bust and failed- remember the reverse auction sites by GM & Ford. I am glad Cingular conceded. I am not so sure I want Apple to have the exclusive control either. The key question is if this means that the mobile operators are finally willing to accept their limited success (abject failure) in monetizing any services beyond voice and basic data. The crazy idea that mobile carriers should get a piece of every service I use over their network is just silly- its like a bank saying that they get a piece of every check I write, or local phone company gets to make money if I buy an air ticket over the phone. Various versions of this were tried during the dot com boom/bust and failed- remember the reverse auction sites by GM & Ford.

I am glad Cingular conceded. I am not so sure I want Apple to have the exclusive control either.

]]> By: Loosely Coupled // Tim Marman's Weblog http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65479 Loosely Coupled // Tim Marman's Weblog Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:38:03 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65479 <strong>I don't want an iPhone...</strong> No, I'm not entirely crazy. There's no denying that this is a sweet device. The people and markets have... I don’t want an iPhone…

No, I’m not entirely crazy. There’s no denying that this is a sweet device. The people and markets have…

]]> By: Eric Brown http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65378 Eric Brown Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:09:56 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65378 I agree Jeff. Apple may have decided to ignore the rest of the market if the financial incentives from Cingular were right. It will be an interesting year to see how this iPhone release plays out. I agree Jeff. Apple may have decided to ignore the rest of the market if the financial incentives from Cingular were right. It will be an interesting year to see how this iPhone release plays out.

]]> By: Jeff http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65367 Jeff Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:28:10 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65367 Maybe, we just don't really know at this point but I find it hard to believe that Apple would be willing to give up over 1/2 of the market just to have a marketing relationship with Cingular. It's also not technically trivial to hardware lock a device to a network because subsequent revisions to the device require new FCC approval. Currently, when device is "locked" to a network it is a software lock, which quite often the carrier will give you the code to unlock because it is YOUR phone even though they subsidized the purchase. The other issue is that Cingular is the exclusive U.S. carrier, Apple said nothing about international carriers who often are legally prohibited from locking anything they sell. This is what fuels the unlocked handset market in the U.S. Maybe, we just don’t really know at this point but I find it hard to believe that Apple would be willing to give up over 1/2 of the market just to have a marketing relationship with Cingular.

It’s also not technically trivial to hardware lock a device to a network because subsequent revisions to the device require new FCC approval. Currently, when device is “locked” to a network it is a software lock, which quite often the carrier will give you the code to unlock because it is YOUR phone even though they subsidized the purchase.

The other issue is that Cingular is the exclusive U.S. carrier, Apple said nothing about international carriers who often are legally prohibited from locking anything they sell. This is what fuels the unlocked handset market in the U.S.

]]> By: Eric Brown http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65365 Eric Brown Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:21:42 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65365 I had heard that the iPhone is locked into Cingular's network in the US. It could still be quad band to allow for roaming on other networks but still be locked to Cingular. I may be wrong though. I had heard that the iPhone is locked into Cingular’s network in the US. It could still be quad band to allow for roaming on other networks but still be locked to Cingular.

I may be wrong though.

]]> By: Jeff http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65354 Jeff Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:32:31 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65354 I thought the spec on the iphone was that it was quad band. I thought the spec on the iphone was that it was quad band.

]]> By: Jim McCoy http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65256 Jim McCoy Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:22:16 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65256 I think the fact that T-Mobile uses 1900Mhz (with 850 for roaming) while Cingular uses 850 Mhz exclusively will limit your ability to use this phone as a T-Mobile subscriber... (No bets until someone confirms this, but I would not be surprised if limiting service to 850MHz only was the condition Cingular asked for when Apple asked them to update their back-end to support random-access voicemail.) I think the fact that T-Mobile uses 1900Mhz (with 850 for roaming) while Cingular uses 850 Mhz exclusively will limit your ability to use this phone as a T-Mobile subscriber… (No bets until someone confirms this, but I would not be surprised if limiting service to 850MHz only was the condition Cingular asked for when Apple asked them to update their back-end to support random-access voicemail.)

]]> By: Happenings of the UnderEmployed by Kevin McDonald http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65218 Happenings of the UnderEmployed by Kevin McDonald Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:58:48 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65218 <strong>RNWK a Winner in the Apple iPhone Fallout?...</strong> Interesting Commentary on iPhone fallout but what about the content providers? One could argue Real Networks is a not so obvious winner in the Apple iPhone fallout. Jeff Nolan's blog makes an interesting observation about device availability and carr... RNWK a Winner in the Apple iPhone Fallout?…

Interesting Commentary on iPhone fallout but what about the content providers? One could argue Real Networks is a not so obvious winner in the Apple iPhone fallout. Jeff Nolan’s blog makes an interesting observation about device availability and carr…

]]> By: まとめ (PukiWiki/TrackBack 0.3) http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/comment-page-1/#comment-65190 まとめ (PukiWiki/TrackBack 0.3) Wed, 10 Jan 2007 02:04:00 +0000 http://jeffnolan.com/wp/2007/01/09/the-iphone-fallout/#comment-65190 <strong>iPhone/まとめ...</strong> iPhone ついに発表 † http://www.apple.com/iphone/ ç±³Apple、OS Xが動作するiPod機能内蔵の携帯電話「iPhone」 写真で解説する「iPhone」 3.5インチタッチパネル搭載の「iPhone」、6月に発売 アップルiP... iPhone/まとめ…

iPhone ついに発表 † http://www.apple.com/iphone/ ç±³Apple、OS Xが動作するiPod機能内蔵の携帯電話「iPhone」 写真で解説する「iPhone」 3.5インチタッチパネル搭載の「iPhone」、6月に発売 アップルiP…

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